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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother
| [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289703] |
Mi, 21 Juni 2006 15:40 |
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For the last twenty years my mother & I have tended
to have purses that are similar, sometimes identical, even
though we buy them at different times & places - often
1000 miles apart from one another.
Okay, I can live with that.
However, recently it struck me that I have become my
grandmother - I have the mini suitcase with all the zippy
little pockets for stashing things strategically and findably.
Oh no - I can't be having with that.
Yesterday, I bought a huge square brown leather bag.
It is fairly fashionable, from a fairly fashionable leather
haberdashery, and it was on sale, yay me.
It may *look* like a saddle bag - but it's not my granny's
purse.
April.
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289717 ] |
Mi, 21 Juni 2006 19:17 |
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"April Goodwin-Smith" <agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:q%bmg.71371$Mn5.7329 [at] pd7tw3no...
> However, recently it struck me that I have become my
> grandmother - I have the mini suitcase with all the zippy
> little pockets for stashing things strategically and findably.
>
> Oh no - I can't be having with that.
>
> Yesterday, I bought a huge square brown leather bag.
> It is fairly fashionable, from a fairly fashionable leather
> haberdashery, and it was on sale, yay me.
>
> It may *look* like a saddle bag - but it's not my granny's
> purse.
>
About 10 years ago I realised I was the same age as my mother was when: x,
y, z happened and she was sooo old, and all powerful and bossy, hmmm
Recently I figured I'm within 5 years of my grandmother's age when she used
to arrive, very very old with bags stuffed to the gills with sweets and
suspenders (she didn't hold with either dentistry or anything closed in
around your nethers)
So were they also eight year olds horribly ambushed by time?
The older I get the more unsure I am of anything. What you see is not what
you get, what you think is not what you know, every one is more than they
appear to be, and less
On a cheerier note this week's New Scientist has an article asking "how old
are you" and the answer seems to be some bits are no more than a few days,
but even my skeleton is only about 15. So I have, in parts, the body of a
fifteen year old, and not even in my freezer.
Louise
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289722 ] |
Mi, 21 Juni 2006 19:43 |
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Louise Mac Mahon <louise [at] happybabysling.com> wrote
(on Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:17:02 +0100):
>
> "April Goodwin-Smith" <agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:q%bmg.71371$Mn5.7329 [at] pd7tw3no...
> > However, recently it struck me that I have become my
> > grandmother - I have the mini suitcase with all the zippy
> > little pockets for stashing things strategically and findably.
> About 10 years ago I realised I was the same age as my mother was when: x,
> y, z happened and she was sooo old, and all powerful and bossy, hmmm
> Recently I figured I'm within 5 years of my grandmother's age when she used
> to arrive, very very old with bags stuffed to the gills with sweets and
> suspenders (she didn't hold with either dentistry or anything closed in
> around your nethers)
> So were they also eight year olds horribly ambushed by time?
My mother was 37 when she had me, and my grandmother was 30 when she
had my mother. So it'll be a while before I'm as old as my grandmother
was in my living memory. About 45 years, if I'm dating my memory
accurately.
My sister, of course, had her first baby when she was the age at which
my mother had her fourth.
A.
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289782 ] |
Do, 22 Juni 2006 05:32 |
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"Ailbhe" wrote ...
> Louise Mac Mahon wrote
>> "April Goodwin-Smith" wrote ...
>> > However, recently it struck me that I have become my
>> > grandmother - I have the mini suitcase with all the zippy
>> > little pockets for stashing things strategically and findably.
>
>> About 10 years ago I realised I was the same age as my
>> mother was when: x, y, z happened and she was sooo old,
>> and all powerful and bossy, hmmm Recently I figured I'm
>> within 5 years of my grandmother's age when she used
>> to arrive, very very old with bags stuffed to the gills
>> So were they also eight year olds horribly ambushed by time?
>
> My mother was 37 when she had me, and my grandmother was
> 30 when she had my mother. So it'll be a while before I'm as old
> as my grandmother was in my living memory.
>
My granny[1] was 39 when I was born. My mother was 18 - she
married at 16, and was engaged at 14.[2] So, I have a lengthy
list of images to compare myself to - yep, got her blue eyes, her
bad temper, and her purse (empty in the bottom of my dresser
drawer while I try to convince myself that I really prefer the new
purse). The only thing I don't have is her really stupid poodle.
Argh.
I think my Grama always saw herself as 18. I think my mother
has always seen herself as 35.
April.
[1] - or rather "Grama" - no child who ever called my Grama
"Granny" ever did it twice. <involuntary shudder>
[2] - oh sure - have you ever tried to talk my mother out of
something she has decided to do? Reasoning doesn't work,
and threats are not a safe tactic at all. <involuntary shudder>
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289797 ] |
Do, 22 Juni 2006 11:28 |
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April Goodwin-Smith wrote:
> "Ailbhe" wrote ...
> > Louise Mac Mahon wrote
> >> "April Goodwin-Smith" wrote ...
> >> > However, recently it struck me that I have become my
> >> > grandmother - I have the mini suitcase with all the zippy
> >> > little pockets for stashing things strategically and findably.
> >
> >> About 10 years ago I realised I was the same age as my
> >> mother was when: x, y, z happened and she was sooo old,
> >> and all powerful and bossy, hmmm Recently I figured I'm
> >> within 5 years of my grandmother's age when she used
> >> to arrive, very very old with bags stuffed to the gills
> >> So were they also eight year olds horribly ambushed by time?
> >
> > My mother was 37 when she had me, and my grandmother was
> > 30 when she had my mother. So it'll be a while before I'm as old
> > as my grandmother was in my living memory.
> >
>
> My granny[1] was 39 when I was born. My mother was 18 - she
> married at 16, and was engaged at 14.[2] So, I have a lengthy
> list of images to compare myself to - yep, got her blue eyes, her
> bad temper, and her purse (empty in the bottom of my dresser
> drawer while I try to convince myself that I really prefer the new
> purse). The only thing I don't have is her really stupid poodle.
>
> Argh.
>
> I think my Grama always saw herself as 18. I think my mother
> has always seen herself as 35.
>
> April.
>
> [1] - or rather "Grama" - no child who ever called my Grama
> "Granny" ever did it twice. <involuntary shudder>
> [2] - oh sure - have you ever tried to talk my mother out of
> something she has decided to do? Reasoning doesn't work,
> and threats are not a safe tactic at all. <involuntary shudder>
The scary bit is when you can hear your mother's voice - but when you
spin round, you realise it was YOU talking!
I've caught myself using the exact same phrases, intonation,
everything, and it mainly seems to happen when I'm talking to my kids.
I even sneeze the same!
NiceOrc (or perhaps her mother...)
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289801 ] |
Do, 22 Juni 2006 12:00 |
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"Ailbhe" <ailbhe [at] lspace.org> wrote in message
news:slrne9j19c.tj0.ailbhe [at] frivolous.ossifrage.net...
> Louise Mac Mahon <louise [at] happybabysling.com> wrote
> (on Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:17:02 +0100):
>>
> My mother was 37 when she had me, and my grandmother was 30 when she
> had my mother. So it'll be a while before I'm as old as my grandmother
> was in my living memory. About 45 years, if I'm dating my memory
> accurately.
>
> My sister, of course, had her first baby when she was the age at which
> my mother had her fourth.
>
you see Ailbhe, you are only a baybee yourself.
It is very interesting however to see how generations are starting to space
out as women are having babies later and later. My grandmother was 20, my
mother was 31, I was 27 for a first child but I was also reproducing merrily
at 40, so my son's children have a vanishingly small chance of having a
sprightly granny and none at all of meeting their great grandmother. One of
my g.gmothers I knew till I was six and I missed the other in the doorway,
she knew of me but died a few weeks before I was born
Louise
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289834 ] |
Do, 22 Juni 2006 14:40 |
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on 22/06/2006 04:32 April Goodwin-Smith said the following:
> My granny[1] was 39 when I was born.
According to my calculations, my grandmother was about 50 when I was
born. However, I do have a great photo of her when she was 21[1] playing
in a jazz band with my grandfather, great-aunt and great-uncle. The
shameless hussy! ;-)
<snip>
> I think my Grama always saw herself as 18.
I know mine did. She told me. She said that one of the worst things
about growing old was that, inside, you still felt like a teenager. Mind
you, she could act like one too. Whenever my mother objected to my
'dreadful music', I could always count on my Nan to support me. And it
was more than just lip-service too. She quite liked Queen but wasn't
quite sure about Bowie. Although I did draw the line at getting her to
listen to some of my collection during my *very* brief flirtation with
Black Sabbath.
esmi
[]1 Circa 1929 - 1931
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289853 ] |
Do, 22 Juni 2006 16:51 |
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The time: 22 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: "NiceOrc" <janeplus3 [at] xtra.co.nz>
> The scary bit is when you can hear your mother's voice -
> but when you spin round, you realise it was YOU talking!
>
> I've caught myself using the exact same phrases,
> intonation, everything, and it mainly seems to happen when
> I'm talking to my kids.
That doesn't happen to the women in my family.
That is, none of them have ever "caught themselves". Mum
thinks my sister sounds like my Gran...
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289878 ] |
Do, 22 Juni 2006 20:17 |
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"April Goodwin-Smith" <agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:q%bmg.71371$Mn5.7329 [at] pd7tw3no...
> For the last twenty years my mother & I have tended
> to have purses that are similar, sometimes identical, even
> though we buy them at different times & places - often
> 1000 miles apart from one another.
>
> Okay, I can live with that.
>
> However, recently it struck me that I have become my
> grandmother - I have the mini suitcase with all the zippy
> little pockets for stashing things strategically and findably.
>
> Oh no - I can't be having with that.
>
> Yesterday, I bought a huge square brown leather bag.
> It is fairly fashionable, from a fairly fashionable leather
> haberdashery, and it was on sale, yay me.
>
> It may *look* like a saddle bag - but it's not my granny's
> purse.
>
> April.
But aren't you a tad worried about using hat pins?
Aggie Arsehole
;)
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289893 ] |
Do, 22 Juni 2006 21:10 |
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Louise Mac Mahon <louise [at] happybabysling.com> wrote
(on Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:00:50 +0100):
>
> "Ailbhe" <ailbhe [at] lspace.org> wrote in message
> news:slrne9j19c.tj0.ailbhe [at] frivolous.ossifrage.net...
> > Louise Mac Mahon <louise [at] happybabysling.com> wrote
> > (on Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:17:02 +0100):
> >>
> > My mother was 37 when she had me, and my grandmother was 30 when she
> > had my mother. So it'll be a while before I'm as old as my grandmother
> > was in my living memory. About 45 years, if I'm dating my memory
> > accurately.
> >
> > My sister, of course, had her first baby when she was the age at which
> > my mother had her fourth.
> >
> you see Ailbhe, you are only a baybee yourself.
With three older sisters, I am well-acquainted with this line of reasoning.
> It is very interesting however to see how generations are starting to space
> out as women are having babies later and later. My grandmother was 20, my
> mother was 31, I was 27 for a first child but I was also reproducing merrily
> at 40, so my son's children have a vanishingly small chance of having a
> sprightly granny and none at all of meeting their great grandmother. One of
> my g.gmothers I knew till I was six and I missed the other in the doorway,
> she knew of me but died a few weeks before I was born
For first babies... I was 25, my mother was 24, her mother was 27. My
mother's last baby was born when she was almost but not quite 40.
Rob was 29, his mother was 30, her mother was 24.
Linnea met her Swedish great-grandmother when she was 84; her Irish
great-grandmothers would have been 104 and 92 at the time, except for
having died aged 90 and 85.
A.
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289903 ] |
Do, 22 Juni 2006 21:56 |
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Aggie Angst wrote:
> "April Goodwin-Smith" <agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:q%bmg.71371$Mn5.7329 [at] pd7tw3no...
>> It may *look* like a saddle bag - but it's not my granny's
>> purse.
>>
>> April.
>
> But aren't you a tad worried about using hat pins?
Nooooo. Hatpins have POTENTIAL!!!
Bring on the hatpins.
<puzzlement>
Why is everyone backing away like that?
--
4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse, AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons,
Bondage-happy predator, Speaker-To-Students, SadoMangoist,
AFPMistress to peachy, 8'FED's AFPDeliciousSnack, AFPFiance to A.
Nevill , Graycat's Guttersnipe
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289936 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 00:48 |
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in article 4ftd8jF1kcck4U1 [at] individual.net, Louise Mac Mahon at
louise [at] happybabysling.com wrote on 21/06/2006 10:17 AM:
>
> "April Goodwin-Smith" <agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:q%bmg.71371$Mn5.7329 [at] pd7tw3no...
>> However, recently it struck me that I have become my
>> grandmother - I have the mini suitcase with all the zippy
>> little pockets for stashing things strategically and findably.
>>
>> Oh no - I can't be having with that.
>>
>> Yesterday, I bought a huge square brown leather bag.
>> It is fairly fashionable, from a fairly fashionable leather
>> haberdashery, and it was on sale, yay me.
>>
>> It may *look* like a saddle bag - but it's not my granny's
>> purse.
>>
>
> About 10 years ago I realised I was the same age as my mother was when: x,
> y, z happened and she was sooo old, and all powerful and bossy, hmmm
> Recently I figured I'm within 5 years of my grandmother's age when she used
> to arrive, very very old with bags stuffed to the gills with sweets and
> suspenders (she didn't hold with either dentistry or anything closed in
> around your nethers)
> So were they also eight year olds horribly ambushed by time?
Oh yes!
> The older I get the more unsure I am of anything. What you see is not what
> you get, what you think is not what you know, every one is more than they
> appear to be, and less
And never mind the policemen getting younger - politicians are alarmingly
youthful, entertainers who should be faint-on-sight are rather sweet, that
person in the mirror must have got in there by mistake...
I still feel pretty much as I always have, and the world is not yet a
confusing mass of too-rapid change, and the handbag that I still carry only
when I have to is still quite small [1] ; however, when we're going to visit
our grandchildren, I bake a challah [2] to take to the family and put sweets
[3] in my pockets.
> On a cheerier note this week's New Scientist has an article asking "how old
> are you" and the answer seems to be some bits are no more than a few days,
> but even my skeleton is only about 15. So I have, in parts, the body of a
> fifteen year old, and not even in my freezer.
Just concentrate on growing those telomeres.
[1] Though it does have many pockets with zippers.
[2] They *like* challah, OK?
[3] Only a few, and it's in case I start with the allergic coughing, right?
--
Lesley Weston.
Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289939 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 01:03 |
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in article 4fv82mF1jtbtiU1 [at] individual.net, Louise Mac Mahon at
louise [at] happybabysling.com wrote on 22/06/2006 3:00 AM:
>
> "Ailbhe" <ailbhe [at] lspace.org> wrote in message
> news:slrne9j19c.tj0.ailbhe [at] frivolous.ossifrage.net...
>> Louise Mac Mahon <louise [at] happybabysling.com> wrote
>> (on Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:17:02 +0100):
>>>
>> My mother was 37 when she had me, and my grandmother was 30 when she
>> had my mother. So it'll be a while before I'm as old as my grandmother
>> was in my living memory. About 45 years, if I'm dating my memory
>> accurately.
>>
>> My sister, of course, had her first baby when she was the age at which
>> my mother had her fourth.
>>
> you see Ailbhe, you are only a baybee yourself.
> It is very interesting however to see how generations are starting to space
> out as women are having babies later and later. My grandmother was 20, my
> mother was 31, I was 27 for a first child but I was also reproducing merrily
> at 40, so my son's children have a vanishingly small chance of having a
> sprightly granny and none at all of meeting their great grandmother. One of
> my g.gmothers I knew till I was six and I missed the other in the doorway,
> she knew of me but died a few weeks before I was born
My maternal grandmother was the youngest-but-one of an enormous family
spaced over more than a generation's worth of time. So my mother's Cousin
Tom really was her first cousin, even though his children were older than my
mother, since he was the son of her oldest aunt. I remember my mother's
maternal grandmother, but not well, and only because she was nearly 100 when
she died.
My father is the oldest-but-one of six; he married early and his
youngest brother married late, so my first cousins are good friends with my
children, and one is younger than my younger one. My son has small children
now and my first cousin has a new baby, so our family is now even more
complicated.
--
Lesley Weston.
Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289954 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 01:58 |
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Lesley Weston wrote:
> My father is the oldest-but-one of six; he married early and his
> youngest brother married late, so my first cousins are good friends with my
> children, and one is younger than my younger one. My son has small children
> now and my first cousin has a new baby, so our family is now even more
> complicated.
And "I'm my own Grampa!"
-Rocky
--
Joss Whedon is my Master; Alyson Hannigan is my Ideal Woman
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289977 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 07:40 |
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"NiceOrc" wrote...
> April Goodwin-Smith wrote:
>> >> "April Goodwin-Smith" wrote ...
>> >> > However, recently it struck me that I have become my
>> >> > grandmother - I have the mini suitcase with all the zippy
>> >> > little pockets for stashing things strategically and findably.
<snip>
> The scary bit is when you can hear your mother's voice - but
> when you spin round, you realise it was YOU talking!
> I've caught myself using the exact same phrases, intonation,
> everything, and it mainly seems to happen when I'm talking
> to my kids. I even sneeze the same!
> NiceOrc (or perhaps her mother...)
>
I have sounded the same as my mother since I hit puberty.[1]
On the phone, it is especially noticeable. Even my Dad hasn't
been able to tell us apart on the phone since then.
I don't have kids, so I haven't had to use any of those classic
phrases - but I do find myself using the same manipulative
tactics on my SOGP as my Mom does on my Dad. Usually
I catch myself - but not always.
April.
[1] - damn thing wouldn't die
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289978 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 07:40 |
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"Aggie Angst" wrote ...
> "April Goodwin-Smith" wrote ...
<snip>
>> However, recently it struck me that I have become my
>> grandmother - I have the mini suitcase with all the zippy
>> little pockets for stashing things strategically and findably.
>> Oh no - I can't be having with that.
<snip>
>
> But aren't you a tad worried about using hat pins?
>
Ooooo - wrong era. My Grama was born in 1913, and grew
up wanting to be a flapper. She always used to complain that
my mother (her daughter) was such a prude.
Maybe I'll make do with rolling my support hose to my knees.
Boo boo be do!
April.
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Fr, 23 Juni 2006 07:40 |
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"Anastasia" wrote ...
> Aggie Angst wrote:
<snip>
>> But aren't you a tad worried about using hat pins?
> Nooooo. Hatpins have POTENTIAL!!!
> Bring on the hatpins.
>
Down, girl. You're only allowed to use hat pins on
gate guards who carry spears and patronize you.
April.
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #289990 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 10:39 |
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on 23/06/2006 06:40 April Goodwin-Smith said the following:
> I have sounded the same as my mother since I hit puberty.[1]
> On the phone, it is especially noticeable. Even my Dad hasn't
> been able to tell us apart on the phone since then.
You are me and ICM5ukp! My father used to phone my mother every day from
work and I quickly developed the habit of answering the phone with
"Hello - this isn't Marge". It was a big joke until shortly after my
mother died at which point it became positively uncomfortable for a
while. One day I left a message on the answer phone without actually
announcing my name. According to my father, when he played it back, the
hairs on the back of his neck stood up!
esmi
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290005 ] |
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esmi esmi [at] lspace.org wrote in <e7g9pg$31ca$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>:
> on 23/06/2006 06:40 April Goodwin-Smith said the following:
>
> > I have sounded the same as my mother since I hit puberty.[1]
> > On the phone, it is especially noticeable. Even my Dad hasn't
> > been able to tell us apart on the phone since then.
>
> You are me and ICM5ukp! My father used to phone my mother every day from
> work and I quickly developed the habit of answering the phone with
> "Hello - this isn't Marge". It was a big joke until shortly after my
> mother died at which point it became positively uncomfortable for a
> while. One day I left a message on the answer phone without actually
> announcing my name. According to my father, when he played it back, the
> hairs on the back of his neck stood up!
>
Perhaps it's that we somehow alter to fill the "spaces" left by deceased
relatives. Until my father died it was generally agreed in the family that
I was remarkably like my maternal grandfather, now I am apparently the
spitting image of my father...except that I still sound more like
Granddad.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290016 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 13:57 |
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"Lesley Weston" <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C0C06FF4.4A5BA%brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk...
> in article 4fv82mF1jtbtiU1 [at] individual.net, Louise Mac Mahon at
> louise [at] happybabysling.com wrote on 22/06/2006 3:00 AM:
>
>>
>> "Ailbhe" <ailbhe [at] lspace.org> wrote in message
>> news:slrne9j19c.tj0.ailbhe [at] frivolous.ossifrage.net...
>>> Louise Mac Mahon <louise [at] happybabysling.com> wrote
>>> (on Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:17:02 +0100):
>>>>
>>> My mother was 37 when she had me, and my grandmother was 30 when she
>>> had my mother. So it'll be a while before I'm as old as my
>>> grandmother
>>> was in my living memory. About 45 years, if I'm dating my memory
>>> accurately.
>>>
>>> My sister, of course, had her first baby when she was the age at
>>> which
>>> my mother had her fourth.
>>>
>> you see Ailbhe, you are only a baybee yourself.
>> It is very interesting however to see how generations are starting to
>> space
>> out as women are having babies later and later. My grandmother was
>> 20, my
>> mother was 31, I was 27 for a first child but I was also reproducing
>> merrily
>> at 40, so my son's children have a vanishingly small chance of having
>> a
>> sprightly granny and none at all of meeting their great grandmother.
>> One of
>> my g.gmothers I knew till I was six and I missed the other in the
>> doorway,
>> she knew of me but died a few weeks before I was born
>
> My maternal grandmother was the youngest-but-one of an enormous family
> spaced over more than a generation's worth of time. So my mother's
> Cousin
> Tom really was her first cousin, even though his children were older
> than my
> mother, since he was the son of her oldest aunt. I remember my
> mother's
> maternal grandmother, but not well, and only because she was nearly
> 100 when
> she died.
>
> My father is the oldest-but-one of six; he married early and his
> youngest brother married late, so my first cousins are good friends
> with my
> children, and one is younger than my younger one. My son has small
> children
> now and my first cousin has a new baby, so our family is now even more
> complicated.
>
My Mother had the strange situations when she went to the Polytechnic
after leaving school, her uncle, who is only a year or two older than
her, was there as well - apparently it didn't go down to well with him
when his friends, etc starting addressing him as "Uncle" once they found
out. :-)
Steve
------
I think I thought the thought of thoughts, thought the thinking man,
thinking thoughts, thoughtfully, thoroughly and through.
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290029 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 15:46 |
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on 23/06/2006 12:57 Steve Rogers said the following:
> My Mother had the strange situations when she went to the Polytechnic
> after leaving school, her uncle, who is only a year or two older than
> her, was there as well
<snip>
My father has two nieces who are only 2 years and 4 years younger than
him respectively. As a child, I automatically assumed that these were
'aunts' until, one day, it was carefully explained to me. For ages
afterwards, I thought the whole situation was extremely bizarre -
especially the bit about having cousins who were 'proper grown-ups' and
had children of their own who were older than me.
esmi
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290080 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 20:16 |
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In article <e7gkuj$18tu$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>,
steve [at] soapietrekkers.demon.co.uk says...
> My Mother had the strange situations when she went to the Polytechnic
> after leaving school, her uncle, who is only a year or two older than
> her, was there as well - apparently it didn't go down to well with him
> when his friends, etc starting addressing him as "Uncle" once they found
> out. :-)
My father said that when he was at school, one of his fellow pupils was
uncle to one of the teachers. Probably an extreme case, with a second
marriage, but perfectly feasible.
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290094 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 21:29 |
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"Anastasia" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:aCCmg.593$ii.546 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Aggie Angst wrote:
>> "April Goodwin-Smith" <agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:q%bmg.71371$Mn5.7329 [at] pd7tw3no...
>
>>> It may *look* like a saddle bag - but it's not my granny's
>>> purse.
>>>
>>> April.
>>
>> But aren't you a tad worried about using hat pins?
>
> Nooooo. Hatpins have POTENTIAL!!!
>
> Bring on the hatpins.
>
> <puzzlement>
>
> Why is everyone backing away like that?
>
Cuz they're cowards the lot of them. Obviously.
;)
Aggie
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290095 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 21:30 |
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"April Goodwin-Smith" <agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:89Lmg.77035$iF6.69087 [at] pd7tw2no...
> "Aggie Angst" wrote ...
>> "April Goodwin-Smith" wrote ...
> <snip>
>>> However, recently it struck me that I have become my
>>> grandmother - I have the mini suitcase with all the zippy
>>> little pockets for stashing things strategically and findably.
>>> Oh no - I can't be having with that.
> <snip>
>>
>> But aren't you a tad worried about using hat pins?
>>
>
> Ooooo - wrong era. My Grama was born in 1913, and grew
> up wanting to be a flapper. She always used to complain that
> my mother (her daughter) was such a prude.
>
> Maybe I'll make do with rolling my support hose to my knees.
>
> Boo boo be do!
>
> April.
I always wondered about that term, flapper.
What was it that flapped exactly?
8o
Aggie
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290103 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 21:54 |
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On 23 Jun, Aggie Angst wrote:
[snip]
> I always wondered about that term, flapper.
> What was it that flapped exactly?
As part of the ethos of the flapper was to be extremely flat-chested,
I suspect that certain supporting undergarments were not worn.
It is left as an exercise for the reader as to what might be
flapping...
> 8o
> Aggie
>
Yer never 80...
Flapper!
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------
I put instant coffee in the microwave, and almost went back in time...
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290116 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 22:35 |
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on 23/06/2006 20:54 Brian Howlett said the following:
> On 23 Jun, Aggie Angst wrote:
>> I always wondered about that term, flapper.
>> What was it that flapped exactly?
> As part of the ethos of the flapper was to be extremely flat-chested,
> I suspect that certain supporting undergarments were not worn.
> It is left as an exercise for the reader as to what might be
> flapping...
Boots!
<quote>
The term flapper first appears in Britain, based on a perceived
similarity to young birds vainly trying to leave the nest. While many in
the United States assumed at the time that the term "flapper" derived
from a fashion of wearing galoshes unbuckled so that they flapped as the
wearer walked, the term was already documented as in use in the United
Kingdom as early as 1912. From the 1900s into the 1920s flapper was a
term for any impetuous teenaged girl, often including women under 30.
</quote>
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flapper
Actually I think the hardened flappers may have used bindings to get
that 'really flat chested look', so I doubt there was very much flapping
going on upstairs, so to speak.
esmi
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290128 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 23:59 |
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"Brian Howlett" <news-spamtrap [at] brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote in message
news:ac17a53b4e.Brian [at] brianhowlett.me.uk...
> On 23 Jun, Aggie Angst wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> I always wondered about that term, flapper.
>> What was it that flapped exactly?
>
> As part of the ethos of the flapper was to be extremely flat-chested,
> I suspect that certain supporting undergarments were not worn.
>
> It is left as an exercise for the reader as to what might be
> flapping...
>
Now that I have a clue, I wish I din't.
;)
I reckon that's why those older women in the 1940s were very...um... low
slung.
>> 8o
>> Aggie
>>
> Yer never 80...
>
> Flapper!
> --
> Brian Howlett - Email to
I am well preserved for my age, and am a firm believer in underwire.
:)
Aggie
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290129 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 23:59 |
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"esmi" <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote in message news:e7hjug$215q$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
> on 23/06/2006 20:54 Brian Howlett said the following:
>> On 23 Jun, Aggie Angst wrote:
>
>>> I always wondered about that term, flapper.
>>> What was it that flapped exactly?
>
>> As part of the ethos of the flapper was to be extremely flat-chested, I
>> suspect that certain supporting undergarments were not worn.
>> It is left as an exercise for the reader as to what might be flapping...
>
> Boots!
>
> <quote>
> The term flapper first appears in Britain, based on a perceived similarity
> to young birds vainly trying to leave the nest. While many in the United
> States assumed at the time that the term "flapper" derived from a fashion
> of wearing galoshes unbuckled so that they flapped as the wearer walked,
> the term was already documented as in use in the United Kingdom as early
> as 1912. From the 1900s into the 1920s flapper was a term for any
> impetuous teenaged girl, often including women under 30.
> </quote>
> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flapper
>
> Actually I think the hardened flappers may have used bindings to get that
> 'really flat chested look', so I doubt there was very much flapping going
> on upstairs, so to speak.
>
> esmi
I am *so* relieved.
:)
Aggie
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290139 ] |
Sa, 24 Juni 2006 00:46 |
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On 23 Jun, Aggie Angst wrote:
>
> "Brian Howlett" <news-spamtrap [at] brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:ac17a53b4e.Brian [at] brianhowlett.me.uk...
>> On 23 Jun, Aggie Angst wrote:
[snip]
>> It is left as an exercise for the reader as to what might be
>> flapping...
>>
> Now that I have a clue, I wish I din't.
> ;)
> I reckon that's why those older women in the 1940s were very...um... low
> slung.
Well, Esmi had to spoil things by introducing *facts* in to the
thread.
That's no fun...
>
>>> 8o
>>> Aggie
>>>
>> Yer never 80...
[snip]
>
> I am well preserved for my age, and am a firm believer in underwire.
>:)
> Aggie
>
But surely, underwire *exists* - you don't have to believe in it...
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
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Mobile phones - the only topic of discussion where men boast about
how *small* theirs is...
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290193 ] |
Sa, 24 Juni 2006 06:50 |
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"Aggie Angst" wrote...
> "April Goodwin-Smith" wrote..
>> "Aggie Angst" wrote ...
>>> "April Goodwin-Smith" wrote ...
>>>> recently it struck me that I have become my grandmother
>>> But aren't you a tad worried about using hat pins?
>> Ooooo - wrong era. My Grama was born in 1913, and grew
>> up wanting to be a flapper.
<snip>
> I always wondered about that term, flapper.
> What was it that flapped exactly?
>
I've read the rest of the thread, so I know about the galoshes,
but I had always thought it was because of how the girls' arms
and fringy dresses moved when they did the Charleston.
I saw a silent film, where I don't remember what was it was
called or what occurrred, but I do remember a young woman
(any age from 14 to 30) who walked everywhere like she was
doing an ambulatory charleston. Definitely lots of elbow and
knee action - as much sideways as forward.
April.
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290205 ] |
Sa, 24 Juni 2006 11:05 |
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esmi wrote:
hussy! ;-)
>
> <snip>
>> I think my Grama always saw herself as 18.
>
> I know mine did. She told me. She said that one of the worst things
> about growing old was that, inside, you still felt like a teenager. Mind
> you, she could act like one too. Whenever my mother objected to my
> 'dreadful music', I could always count on my Nan to support me. And it
> was more than just lip-service too. She quite liked Queen but wasn't
> quite sure about Bowie. Although I did draw the line at getting her to
> listen to some of my collection during my *very* brief flirtation with
> Black Sabbath.
>
> esmi
> []1 Circa 1929 - 1931
My Granny told ME about Queen. ( I still think their great).
n
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290248 ] |
Sa, 24 Juni 2006 15:50 |
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on 24/06/2006 05:50 April Goodwin-Smith said the following:
> I've read the rest of the thread, so I know about the galoshes,
> but I had always thought it was because of how the girls' arms
> and fringy dresses moved when they did the Charleston.
<snip>
That's what I was hoping to find as well but thus far, I can't find any
decent references to support it. Pity - it does make rather a nice metaphor.
esmi
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290260 ] |
Sa, 24 Juni 2006 19:33 |
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"esmi" wrote ...
> April Goodwin-Smith said the following:
>> I've read the rest of the thread, so I know about the galoshes,
>> but I had always thought it was because of how the girls' arms
>> and fringy dresses moved when they did the Charleston.
> That's what I was hoping to find as well but thus far, I can't find any
> decent references to support it. Pity - it does make rather a nice
> metaphor.
>
Here's an interesting site about the general tone of the jazz age:
http://www.geocities.com/flapper_culture/
Here's one about the fashions - apparently the quintessential
flapper moment was from 1926 to 1928.
http://www.fashion-era.com/flapper_fashion_1920s.htm
It all seems to be about demeanor - not content to be an
angel of the house/home in any way at all.
April.
PS - good grief - there's flapper music:
http://bassocantante.com/flapper/music.html
And then there's the potted version[1]
http://www.answers.com/topic/flapper
Argh! I can't stop!
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290307 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 00:34 |
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"Brian Howlett" <news-spamtrap [at] brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote in message
news:cee8b43b4e.Brian [at] brianhowlett.me.uk...
> On 23 Jun, Aggie Angst wrote:
>>
>
> [snip]
>
> Well, Esmi had to spoil things by introducing *facts* in to the
> thread.
>
> That's no fun...
I have never let facts interfer with what I want to believe.
I have taken this cue from the 'Merkin Preznit. *insert smug smiley here*
Besides, if it makes a good story, I say run with it. ;)
>>
>>>> 8o
>>>> Aggie
>>>>
>>> Yer never 80...
>
> [snip]
>>
>> I am well preserved for my age, and am a firm believer in underwire.
>>:)
>> Aggie
>>
> But surely, underwire *exists* - you don't have to believe in it...
You whippersnappers with your new fangled notions.
I won't tolerate it!
I won't!
And quit foolin' around in mah beans!
Aunt Aggie
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290310 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 00:36 |
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"April Goodwin-Smith" <agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:1w3ng.84319$Mn5.31420 [at] pd7tw3no...
> "Aggie Angst" wrote...
>> "April Goodwin-Smith" wrote..
>>> "Aggie Angst" wrote ...
>>>> "April Goodwin-Smith" wrote ...
>>>>> recently it struck me that I have become my grandmother
>>>> But aren't you a tad worried about using hat pins?
>>> Ooooo - wrong era. My Grama was born in 1913, and grew
>>> up wanting to be a flapper.
> <snip>
>> I always wondered about that term, flapper.
>> What was it that flapped exactly?
>>
>
> I've read the rest of the thread, so I know about the galoshes,
> but I had always thought it was because of how the girls' arms
> and fringy dresses moved when they did the Charleston.
>
> I saw a silent film, where I don't remember what was it was
> called or what occurrred, but I do remember a young woman
> (any age from 14 to 30) who walked everywhere like she was
> doing an ambulatory charleston. Definitely lots of elbow and
> knee action - as much sideways as forward.
>
> April.
I remember her.
She was recruited by Maytag Washing Machines as an outside agitator.
It's true.
Aggie
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290312 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 00:40 |
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"April Goodwin-Smith" <agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:HHeng.85070$iF6.17556 [at] pd7tw2no...
> "esmi" wrote ...
>> April Goodwin-Smith said the following:
>>> I've read the rest of the thread, so I know about the galoshes,
>>> but I had always thought it was because of how the girls' arms
>>> and fringy dresses moved when they did the Charleston.
>> That's what I was hoping to find as well but thus far, I can't find any
>> decent references to support it. Pity - it does make rather a nice
>> metaphor.
>>
>
> Here's an interesting site about the general tone of the jazz age:
> http://www.geocities.com/flapper_culture/
>
> Here's one about the fashions - apparently the quintessential
> flapper moment was from 1926 to 1928.
> http://www.fashion-era.com/flapper_fashion_1920s.htm
>
> It all seems to be about demeanor - not content to be an
> angel of the house/home in any way at all.
>
> April.
>
> PS - good grief - there's flapper music:
> http://bassocantante.com/flapper/music.html
>
> And then there's the potted version[1]
> http://www.answers.com/topic/flapper
>
> Argh! I can't stop!
***runs in with an emergency jazz age antidote***
Here! Listen to Rancid for half an hour and it should clear up your jazz
problems.
Of course then you'll need my 'Beating Your Head Against the Monitor'
antidote in a bit...
Dr. Aggie
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290319 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 00:59 |
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The time: 24 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: "Aggie Angst" <aggieangst [at] myinvalidway.com>
>
> "April Goodwin-Smith" <agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca> wrote in
> message news:1w3ng.84319$Mn5.31420 [at] pd7tw3no...
>> I saw a silent film, where I don't remember what was it
>> was called or what occurrred, but I do remember a young
>> woman (any age from 14 to 30) who walked everywhere like
>> she was doing an ambulatory charleston. Definitely lots
>> of elbow and knee action - as much sideways as forward.
> I remember her.
> She was recruited by Maytag Washing Machines as an outside
> agitator. It's true.
What, she went around the populace stirring up bad feelings
against other washing machine companies?
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290329 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 01:28 |
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On 24 Jun, Aggie Angst wrote:
>
> "Brian Howlett" <news-spamtrap [at] brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote
[snip]
>> Well, Esmi had to spoil things by introducing *facts* in to the
>> thread.
>>
>> That's no fun...
>
> I have never let facts interfer with what I want to believe.
> I have taken this cue from the 'Merkin Preznit. *insert smug smiley here*
> Besides, if it makes a good story, I say run with it. ;)
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story - can't disagree
with that one...
Say, is Raygun still the Preznit?
[snip]
>> But surely, underwire *exists* - you don't have to believe in it...
>
> You whippersnappers with your new fangled notions.
New fangled? I'm pretty old fangled, actually...
> I won't tolerate it!
> I won't!
Then don't ;)
> And quit foolin' around in mah beans!
Nah, beans make me <censored>.
>
> Aunt Aggie
>
We're related?
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
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"You ought to be bloody well hung!"
"What do you mean, 'ought to be'?"
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| [I] Queen [was: Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother] [message #290332 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 01:38 |
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Hi there,
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:05:50 GMT, naomi <kittenkat [at] dodo.com.au> wrote:
>My Granny told ME about Queen. ( I still think their great).
If you ever get to see "One Night with Queen" (The tribute band with
Gary Mullen, who apparently won Stars in their Eyes as Freddie
Mercury) it's well worth a look.
Cheers,
Graham.
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| Re: [I]Saddle Bags and Becoming Your Mother [message #290420 ] |
So, 25 Juni 2006 14:17 |
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Brian Howlett news-spamtrap [at] brianhowlett.me.uk wrote in
<a5923c3c4e.Brian [at] brianhowlett.me.uk>:
> On 24 Jun, Aggie Angst wrote:
>
> > I have never let facts interfer with what I want to believe.
> > I have taken this cue from the 'Merkin Preznit. *insert smug smiley here*
> > Besides, if it makes a good story, I say run with it. ;)
>
> Never let the facts get in the way of a good story - can't disagree
> with that one...
>
> Say, is Raygun still the Preznit?
>
This ain't really life, ain't really life, ain't really nothing but a
movie...
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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